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Canzonetta & Valse romantique op.62 -Kuolema production

 
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:11 am    Post subject: Canzonetta & Valse romantique op.62 -Kuolema production Reply with quote

Two questions about these pieces for strings:

- What was the order of the pieces in the 1911 representation? Was the fifth and sixth number of the original Kuolema score played?

- "According to Kari Kilpeläinen, the [...] Canzonetta op. 62a is a slightly revised version of a piece written in 1906 - which no doubt explains its similarity of mood withe the slow movement of the Third Symphony" (A. Barnett, pag. 209). Have we the score of that original version, or is it only an idea by Kilpeläinen?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good questions. To answer the first one I'll have to check in Eija Kurki's thesis (I'm currently travelling so that will have to wait until I get home). As for the second, I tried to get more detailed information from Kari, but he wasn't able to be more specific. He gave me the impression that there were some sketches from 1906(ish) that were later adapted/reworked into the Canzonetta. Certainly there is no score or completed piece. It seems a very believable date if we compare the style and even melodic substance of the Canzonetta with the slow movement of the Third Symphony.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, mr. Barnett. Avec plaisir!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew B wrote:
To answer the first one I'll have to check in Eija Kurki's thesis.

He and I are not the same guy. But with a name like that, I'm sure his research is trustworthy and of the utmost quality. Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would very much hope that you're not the same guy, because she's a gal! Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My apologies, I didn't recognize what gender was associated with that name ... Embarassed
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I checked it now.
In the 1911 performance:

Valse triste (the revised version was used)
Valse romantique (in Act II), danced by maidens
Canzonetta [a.k.a. Rondino der Liebenden] (end of Act II), danced by maidens

It is probable (though not certain) that movements V & VI were not used in the 1911 production.

The old Scenes III, III & IV (Paavali's Song, Elsa's Song and the Cranes) were definitely omitted in 1911 because the new version of the play was radically different in Act II and those pieces of music were not needed.

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And our Kurki is right, Eija Kurki's study is a very good and useful one.

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, thank you for the information.

Andrew B wrote:
Valse romantique (in Act II), danced by maidens
Canzonetta [a.k.a. Rondino der Liebenden] (end of Act II), danced by maidens


Dancing Sibelius? How odd!

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe it's not quite so odd to dance to Sibelius - He was so keen on dance music -all those waltzes, minuets and so on.... and then, of course, there was Scaramouche!

And certainly there have been full-length ballets based on assorted tone poems. I saw one in London once (early 1980s), conducted by Barry Wordsworth. Fine performances too!

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