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Andrew B Soloist


Joined: 12 Oct 2006 Posts: 684 Location: Brighton, England
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:12 am Post subject: Sticking up for the early chamber music |
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I'm keen to encourage people to listen to Sibelius's early chamber works. Now that virtually all of them are recorded and released, there can be no excuse for avoiding such a large body of - generally - well crafted and melodious music.
Is there any more infectious melody in all early Sibelius than the invigorating finale of the 'Korpo' Trio, for instance? And who could deny that the formal experimentation in that work - especially its second movement - was an essential early step on the way that led to the Seventh Symphony and Tapiola?
Especially in melodic and rhythmic terms, the early chamber music bears most of Sibelius's fingerprints and combines them with a joie de vivre that utterly refutes the notion of Sibelius as a composer who lacked humour or humanity.
I would be most interested to hear which of these works have made an impression on everybody - good or bad - and why.
Finally I find it little short of astonishing that there are still 'experts' out there who write off the works as inferior and inept, sometimes without even having once listened to them! _________________
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Kurkikohtaus Site Admin


Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Posts: 930 Location: Praha, CZ
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:20 am Post subject: |
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I am ashamed but honest enough to say that I know not a single piece of chamber music by Sibelius. So I will now heed Andrew B's advice and look up a score of the Korpo Trio and try to absorb it as best as I can.
As far as the general ignorance towards Sibelius' chamber repertoire is concerned, I feel that it is the responsibility of Chamber musicians to make us aware of it. If major and minor ensembles alike performed this music more often, perhaps the public would begin "demanding" it as well. Would there be a "need" for recordings of Sibelius' symphonies if they were not championed by conductors and their orchestras? Of course not.
Therefore while it is important that people like Andrew B should make Sibelius enthusiasts aware of what is out there, the real responsibility lies in the efforts of chamber ensembles to present these works to a broader public.
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Tapkaara Soloist


Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Posts: 725 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: Sticking up for the early chamber music |
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| Andrew B wrote: |
I'm keen to encourage people to listen to Sibelius's early chamber works. Now that virtually all of them are recorded and released, there can be no excuse for avoiding such a large body of - generally - well crafted and melodious music.
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I've always been a staunch admirer of the early String Quartet in E flat major from 1885.
To echo the remarks of Andrew B, it is simple but indeed well crafted and melodious. Writing off music like this because it is not as deep or complex as, say, the 7th Symphony is just pure snobbery. _________________ "Music is not philosophy."
-- Akira Ifukube
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Lisztfreak Listener

Joined: 09 Apr 2007 Posts: 8 Location: Samobor, Croatia
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:31 am Post subject: |
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What about the Voces Intimae Quartett? The last movement is particularly vivacious and memorable. (Oh, but it's not early...)
Have you heard a small piece of his, the Rondino for Violin and Piano (Op.81?) ? Very short and very charming. _________________ 'You have to have a personal relationship with a cigar. It must be treated with respect and elegance.' J. Sibelius |
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Andrew B Soloist


Joined: 12 Oct 2006 Posts: 684 Location: Brighton, England
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:57 am Post subject: |
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Voces intimae is in a class of its own, to be sure, as Sibb's only mature quartet (even if some sketches do date back to the turn of the century). And moreover, as it is one of the main works from his introspective period, it is something that even the musical snobs can accept.
Not so the Rondino, more's the pity. It is indeed a splendid miniature, one of the most concise and memorable of the violin/piano pieces from this era. Is it a soul-searching, epoch-defining masterpiece? No. Do I care? Not a bit. Let's listen and enjoy! _________________
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david johnson Orchestra Member - Principal


Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Posts: 230 Location: arkansas/missouri
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:51 am Post subject: |
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'experts' out there who write off the works as inferior and inept...
regardless of the musical style, from sacred harp to dixieland to orchestral, i've found such experts are mostly good for a laugh! definitely never to be taken seriously.
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kullervopete Conductor in Residence


Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 1121 Location: Bury Lancs UK
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with Andrew B regarding the early chamber works and I have found the Korpo trio wonderful. But once again up pops Mr. P Quantrill, Gramophone magazine reviewer. [ I lambasted him in my very first post 'Kullervo' [Symphonies]16th July 2007. Original post is
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Mr. Quantrill in reviewing Sibelius chamber music with Tempera Qt. writes of the Korpo trio, 'After a ruminative Fantasia, the Korpo trio closes with an orgy of modulations around a cheap little tune that makes Bjorn and Benny sound like models of restraint'.
This so called Sibelius specialist then goes on to produce a number of blatantly inaccurate gaffes. Apparently Sibelius failed an audition with the Berlin Philharmonic, the Third Symphonies first movement coda is enriched by late Wagnerian allusion and then Quantrill tells us that 'Wagner really comes to the fore in the Fourth Symphony'. But it does not stop there, after some snipes at the balance of movements in the Sixth, Mr. Quantril informs us that the silence from Ainola began in 1923!
And to think that this reviewers comments will go out world wide.--kullervopete. _________________ Peter Frankland |
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Saturnus Musician


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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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I honestly think very few take these reviews seriously. Maybe some people that just recently got into classical music and are confused by the massive amount of music available. But still, I think anyone can sense the vast amount of oversimplification that Quantrill fails to hide with his „wit“ and „sense of humor“. |
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kullervopete Conductor in Residence


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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:40 am Post subject: |
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Yes I know what you mean, but the UK Sibelius Society has worked hard in recent years to promulgate Sibelius's early chamber works and Mr. Quantrill does the music no favours. Of course he is entitled to his viewpoint, but if as it seems, Mr. Quantrill is clearly not a commited Sibelian then he should not have the Sibelius brief in this leading classical music mag.
Knockabout comedy is one thing, but he should at the very least get his facts right.--kullervopete. _________________ Peter Frankland |
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Andrew B Soloist


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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm... 'an orgy of modulations around a cheap little tune that makes Björn and Benny sound like models of restraint'... tut tut
Well I have heard the piece in concert quite often now - at a guess ten times in various countries (I'm a sort of 'Korpo' Trio groupie) and it has never failed to be a massive hit with the audiences. I missed its Swedish première but am told that it was a huge success there too. Must have been that Björn and Benny association, I imagine. _________________
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Saturnus Musician


Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 34
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| kullervopete wrote: |
| Mr. Quantrill does the music no favours. Of course he is entitled to his viewpoint, but if as it seems, Mr. Quantrill is clearly not a commited Sibelian then he should not have the Sibelius brief in this leading classical music mag. |
Agreed, the great influence a commited Sibelian could have in Quantrill's position... it is sad to think about it.
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| I missed its Swedish première but am told that it was a huge success there too. Must have been that Björn and Benny association, I imagine. |
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kullervopete Conductor in Residence


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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:14 am Post subject: |
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You will all be pleased to know that I wrote to the editor of 'Gramophone' following Mr. Quantrill's attack on Sibelius's 'Korpo' Trio. I took him to task regarding this and other inaccuracy's.
The good news is that my letter has been published in the Feb. 08 issue, and includes a photo of Sibelius with the caption 'Young Sibelius's chamber works 'Gems or cheap tunes?.
So perhaps I have managed to redress the balance.--kullervopete. _________________ Peter Frankland |
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Kurkikohtaus Site Admin


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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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Congrats on that!
We don't get Gramophone here in Cz... if you would like to post your article here, that would be great. |
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kullervopete Conductor in Residence


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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Glad to oblige Kurki.
In defence of Korpo
I write regarding the review of various
Sibelius releases, 'Summing up Sibelius'
[December, page 84]. Peter Quantrill
was scathing about Sibelius's early Korpo
trio: 'After a ruminative Fantasia, the Korpo
trio closes with an orgy of modulations around
a cheap little tune that make Bjorn and Benny
sound like models of restraint.' Mr. Quantrill
seems to be undermining much that we in the
UK Sibelius society have been doing in recent
years in trying to promulgate Sibelius's youthful
chamber works to the widest possible audience.
These pieces which are uneven, do contain
some gems-including the Korpo trio!
But it does not stop there.
Mr. Quantrill's assertion that Wagner looms
large in the Fourth Symphony is frankly ludicrous
and I must correct a number of inaccurata claims.
It was for the Vienna Philharmonic that Sibelius
auditioned on January 9, 1891, and the silence
from Ainola did not begin in 1923, with two more
symphonies and Tapiola yet to come. In fact,
probably Sibelius's greatest labours were expended
on the Eighth Symphony, which he worked on from
the late 1920's through to the 40's and which
tragically resulted in the big bonfire at Ainola.
kullervopete. _________________ Peter Frankland |
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