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4th and S-motif

 
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Harri M
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:07 pm    Post subject: 4th and S-motif Reply with quote

Has anybody been able to perceive C-D- F sharp- E as a one variation of S-motif? Even Andrew doesn`t mention that in his book.

For me, it is the only way. There is nothing difficult in the 1st mvm and in most of the piece after this perception.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bit hard to do so without the first note of the motif - but it (the motif) is certainly present later - such as the glockenspiel [sic!] in the finale.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The motif ... is the germ of the famous tritone motif in the Fourth Symphony, the two halves of the motif being separated by a whole tone. "

All notes are there. S-motif is varied in countless ways. This variation seems to be difficult to see. "Normal" form would here be C-D-E-D. Step up( first half)=C-D, step down(second half)=E-D.

Now the second half is one whole tone higher(E-D becomes F sharp-E)

So, result C-D(1st half)-F sharp-E(2nd half).
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